Sue Bradford and Joan Withers seem an unlikely pairing: one an activist and former politician of the left with a middle-class background; the other a corporate leader with a working class background. Both, however, are women of substance with alternately challenging and rewarding lives, as explored in recent books Constant Radical: The Life and Times of Sue Bradford by Jenny Chamberlain and Wither’s A Woman’s Place. Bradford and Withers compare and contrast, and discuss personal and broader concerns with former unionist turned professional director Rob Campbell.