Theophila Pratt (Unveiled) and Ali Mau (No Words for This) have lived remarkable lives, with distinct ‘befores’ and ‘afters’.

Pratt was left to fend for herself with no knowledge of the outside world when she left Gloriavale at 18, the fundamentalist Christian community at the centre of decades of allegations of sexual and physical assault.

Mau had a glittering career in the media and was a key investigative journalist bringing Aotearoa New Zealand’s #metoo stories to light, before a conversation about her own past brought her personal and professional life into a devastating clash.

With each now working to support survivors and help break the cycle of abuse, they join Samantha Hayes to discuss.